Not really sure if I believe this.
Kind of surprised Lil’ Wayne is on the bottom end. I know some smart ass dudes who bump Weezy on the regular.
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So basically, this study says it’s better to listen to white people music.
I don’t think if you change what you listen to now it would do you any good.
For this comment, I just want to say that, Dave, I love you.
its not really the fact thats its a race thing. it is just saying that listening to classical music makes you think more than if you were listeing to rap. and what also helps this study is that lil wayne doesnt actually say full words which in turn MAKES PEOPLE D-U-M-B!!
Actually that’s not what it says at all. This study draws a correlation not a causation. You can’t determine cause from correlations. Think about the different environments people are immersed in. Many of those who listen to Lil Wayne do not care about the SATs. They are not important to these people. The SAT is an achievement test and does not measure other types of intelligence, such as emotional intelligence.
What does classical music make one think about? I think it’s more of a cultural thing than a “it makes you think more” thing. Lil Wayne can actually be very thought provoking. Instead of making judgments about people, I would suggest that we try placing ourselves in their position.
Very Well said.
What do you mean “THESE PEOPLE? HUH?” lol
Mike, you obviously don’t listen to Lil Wayne.
no, YOU clearly don’t listen to lil’ wayne. go listen to his song tie my hands and then tell me if you still feel like he has nothing worth saying to say. you cant judge a rapper based on his most popular stuff. they dumb down their lyrics to be more commercial, which is why people like soulja boy can make millions upon millions but incredibly intelligent rappers like common and talib kweli, while greatly respected, do not have huge hits.
everybody who listens to lil wayne is straight up stupid, even the people defneding his music is stupid!! Tell me one thing idiots-how is listening to somebody rap about I fuck bitches on the regular, I take your bitch, I
smoke weed muthafucka, I got money muthafucka–how does that make you smarter–YEAH IDIOTS–until you realize that his music is rap with a capital C in front of it (CRAP for you idiots who didnt get that) then we have nothing left to discuss.
^ Don’t call someone stupid unless you’re prepared to use grammar. I agree with you, but yeah. You’re not helping the argument.
My score from the SAT I took (assuming this is based on the original 1600 scale) is far clear of the large grouping of people and I like Lil Wayne. Don’t be ignorant. This site is full of a lot of racist idiots posting ignorant bullshit.
Lil Waynes the shit fuck all you people that hate lil wayne
This guy sounds intelligent.
Classical music stimulates the creative part of the brain. The only thoughts Lil wayne MIGHT provoke is how he got so famous, or if he thinks hes guitar playing is transcending his crappy music. REALLY repetitive music such as rap doesn’t stimulate anything but the imaginary trigger finger.
People who don’t about the SAT (quite a few exceptions though), don’t care about their future. So thus, generally speaking, people who listen to lil wayne who don’t care about the SAT are stupid for not caring. I tried placing myself into a ghetto rascals socks for a second, but stopped when I realized I was purposely trying to convert myself into an unproductive member of society.
Okay Mike lets not talk as if we were an expert in this field. Seriously think about it. Listening to lil wayne say “fo sheezy my kneezy she slobbed on my knob” will make you less intelligent than say, listening to a great musical arrangement by Bach or Brahms. Honestly, there is a correlation between intelligence and people who can play musical instruments. Lil Wayne doesn’t exactly use instruments unless you include instruments of violence like his 9mm he used to shoot police. I mean what the fuck? how is shooting police going to make you think?
I listen to a wide range of music there.
first off i wouldnt defy lil wayne as music, mumbling maybe.
today rap is absolute shit but the rap i listen to is tupac biggie smalls nwa eazy e. they talked real shit but this ‘lil wayne’ charachter going from ‘licking lollipops’ to ‘letting it rock’ i dont know what to think the music industry has gone to..
me playing piano and violin i listen to a good bit of classical music but i do find some of it enjoyable sure.
but my point is, if you want to defy ‘rap’ as ‘lil wayne’ then thats bullshit.
It is amazing, all music genres seem to be wide spread.
However, country and rap have tendancy to keep the lower edge.
And classical music the higher edge but as a tendancy only.
I say, intelligent people are open-minded, is this your case?
No it means that if you are white you are smarter. Being black and listening to Beethoven will not increase your IQ.
I listen to lots of stuff on here, from the bottom up (but not classical… >.<). I did just fine.
I’m pretty sure it’s crap. The kids who listen to Beethoven are the rich, snotty little kids who go to private schools. Ah, stereotypes! But normal people just don’t listen to classical…
Well, I’m black and I listen to Beyonce AND Beethoven (more Bach actually) Anyhow, I am totally normal. Holla!
see, I knew it was too much of a stereotype!
I hate Lil Wayne btw
I listen to Beethoven I am not rich nor snotty. I am smart. Your choice of music can affect you emotionally which in turn affects your school work study habits and influences. If people appreciate and understand music it wouldn’t be a problem at all. So be smart and optimistic stop judging.
Ummm, I am pretty normal and I listen to plenty of classical music. I work at a power plant as an operator. I have a wife and 2 kids, and I have a mortgage. Sounds pretty damn normal to me. I also listen to every other kind of music. A person’s intelligence cannot be rated by the music type they listen too. Although our perceptions of a person could change by the music they listen to. Anyways, whatever…
Not all people who like classical music such as Beethoven are rich, snotty, or go to private school. My family has never had money and I myself attend a small poorly funded school yet still enjoy Moonlight Sonata (Beethoven) or Violin Concerto No. 5 (Mozart).
thats such BS! snotty little kids who go to private schools? not everyone who goes to a private school is snotty! thats like saying everyon at public school is stupid and poor.
yeh, that is stereotyping! i go to a private school and beethoven is the thing NO ONE listens to!! NONE OF US have ANY classical music on our iPods!! But i do agree with the snotty rich people
because i’m not rich but i go to a private school…
BUT anyway, just saying.
P.S.!! i was not offended by your comment, i was just ..y’know! spreading my opinion!! WOOHOO!!
Well your name fits you pretty damn well clueless. In no way am i a rich snotty kid. I am a middle class guy who has to pay his own way through college by actually being intelligent. Honestly I am quite “normal” thank you very much, I have a house and a girlfriend and we have a dog. how much more normal can you get? Seriously listening to lil wayne just makes you less of a person. Who wants to hear about fucking girls and shooting cops? O yeah I forgot, the uneducated minorities. And before you say I am a racist, just remember, all you have to do is go to school to be educated. And before you say we don’t all get the chance to go to school let me tell you that you are wrong there to. Public school is FREE, and anyone can easily go and get through gradeschool and highschool.
pheeeew. I can’t believe everyone is taking it so wrongly. I never meant that I thought that! I simply meant that that’s a simple stereotype about it! Lord… I listen to all types of music, from classical to metal and everything else. I’m pretty open to music and would never judge anyone by that. I was simply saying that a lot of people think that — I’m not one of them.
Wow… I go to a public high school in one of the poorest counties in the countries, and I’m an excellent student. I personally do not listen to Lil Wayne because I’m not a huge fan of his music. However, I wouldn’t judge people who do.
and there you have it–your just an idiot who’s hating on the world because your a complete retard who can’t THINK for yourself so you got fag boys like LIL WAYNE that GUIDE you on the daily–It’s like the blind leading the blind!!!
(that’s not what I think on the bottom part)
I can tell bob is a genius by his exceptionally eloquent statement.
“No it means that if you are white you are smarter. Being black and listening to Beethoven will not increase your IQ.”
Oh, so what are you? Let me guess…white. Dude, this is the stupidest thing ever. America just elected a black president and people are still saying this? Okay, first off, studies don’t show a culture. Go to hell. And? I’m white.
America didn’t elect a black president. They elected a mixed president.
Actually there are other studies that refute what you just said….nothing to do with race by the way. Listening to classical, music i.e. certain composers (Bach, Chopin, Mozart, and Beethoven) DO increase brain activity, especially if listened to early in the morning….so it’s not that shocking to see these findings.
bob. you may be an idiot. maybe they should conduct a study on how many people named “bob” did well on their SATs… what do you think?
i’m sure racists aren’t too high up on the I.Q. scale and i’m positive white supremacists don’t score too well on SATs either.
heh, you used teh same logic as bob to ridicule him. that is ironical!
Funny. They estimate Hitler’s I.Q. to have been in the 140-150 range. That’s considered genius.
With genius comes insanity. (in Hitler’s case)
Are you kidding me? The damn valedictorian at my school is a total white supremacist. Not only that, but he scored a 1380 and was upset because he thought that he was inferior to white culture for not being perfect, so he took it again and scored a perfect 1400. Now I’m not saying this is admirable behavior, but your ignorance is ridiculously stupid chula.
I’m not racist either, but if you think all racists are naturally stupid you are so wrong on so many levels. So many intelligent people just honestly believe that minorities are inferior, but it doesn’t hinder their intelligence it just means their tolerance of minorities isn’t at its peak.
However, unless you want to consider the minorities that are racist (which seems to be an overwhelming amount), then I guess perhaps you may be right, but you’d be right for the wrong reason. You naturally assumed that white people that are racist are stupid, which is not necessarily true. But I can guarantee you every black person I’ve encountered and will encounter that throws out the phrase “Your a racist” will be the most idiotic person in that room.
Chula, you are such a big idiot it is ridiculous. Go die.
Oh and for all you stereotypical bastards about stupid public school people. Our valedictorian holds a 4.89 GPA, maybe higher. I as well hold a 4.30, and I am only barely within the top 100 of my class. So go screw yourselves if you say we are stupid, because we will both mentally and physically kick your asses.
What makes your minority statement more truthful than the other guys statement about white supremacists. You smart read you statements..its the pot calling the kettle black. You will never understand minorities(but you should still respect them),and minorities will never understand a white supremacist,but again sad but true should respect them.It is the “civilized” thing to do. Humans are the most inhumane species!!SAD!!
Well as far as i knew top score on SATS is 1600 and the top GPA is 4.0? Have things changed since I did all this crap?
Actually top GPA depends on whether or not its weighted. If you are including Honors, and AP courses then top high school GPA would be 6.0, but that’s only achievable if one takes all AP courses in high school for all four years.
I’m guessing Beethoven wouldn’t help you much either bob.
haha Bob…. thats not racist at all lol
Well gee, that was racist.
well i just want to say go and do some research……before the birth of all great composers from all over the world….ancient african/egyptian culture was already engaged in arts and music…..the dark ages took place in europe/carcus mountains….barbarians caves disease rape and plagues….once they regain their foot hold they went to another country and couldnt believe their eyes therefore they borrowed what they could then took the rest…..ignorance is bliss!
Wow… That wasn’t racist at all…
Anywho, here’s a more accurate assessment:
Rap, hip-hop, and if you notice, jazz, and gospel are all on the lower end of this scale, yes? What do each of these genres have in common? They tend to be more popular among people of African-American descent. If you look at statistics, a large portion of African-Americans are on the lower end of the socio-economic spectrum. Because of this lack of money, (and other related reasons) they may not be able to receive a decent education. (Have you seen the American public school system? It’s a bloody joke.) In addition, but to a lesser extent, there are certain subcultures that revolve around many genres of music – rap being one of them, and as someone previously mentioned, many who are involved in the rap subculture don’t really care about the SATs.
In short: African-Americans (who make up a large portion of rap fans) tend to get less than satisfactory educations, which therefore lead to less than satisfactory SAT scores.
I, myself, listen to Bach, David Bowie, Coldplay, and the Beatles, but some of my favorite artists are Disturbed, P.O.D., Living Color and Alice Cooper. I am also a National Merit Scholarship Semi-Finalist.
so what’s your point?
Well, White people in general are smarter just as Asian people in general are smarter than white people. Black culture doesn’t place much value on intelligence. There are MANY outliers but the overall trend shows.
” Black culture doesn’t place much value on intelligence.”
How do you know? have you met most of the black people in america?
“Black culture doesn’t place much value on intelligence.”
If this is so true, then why do we have a Black President that is smarter than our former White President?
Because Bush was dumb and most people would say “Obama is half white and raised by white people” It depends on family values, if the family values education you’ll be smart, if not well good luck to you.
Our so called intelligent black President thinks there are 57 states and that the automobile was invented in the U.S. Reading from a teleprompter does equate to intelligence. If this man is so intelligent, he would not be a socialist.
What does socialism have to do with intelligence? Greed is what has ruined socialism just like ignorance has ruined you!
Haha! Kudos, Josh!
We do not have a black president. We have a mixed president. I won’t argue that he isn’t smarter though. Haha.
You… “*won’t* argue that he *isn’t* smarter”…? So you will argue that he is smarter? Watch those double negatives if you were trying to agree with Allen.
Most important note to make about your comment. You are trying to apply an individual to a generalisation. It doesn’t work that way. Outliers are quite real, and this chart wouldn’t show those, otherwise those bars for each artist and genre would probably stretch across the entire chart for each one.
Also, not to insult Mr. Obama, but that isn’t a terribly difficult feat. -_-’
!! Easy people…
If you would allow me to restate Matt’s argument. To get an idea of the qualities that a population of people possess, you need only to look at the qualities that attract them to reproduce.
Having grown up as an expatriate in Asia, I’ve observed (again, this refers to the majority of Asians that I’ve met. I certainly have not met MOST Asians, and I need not to have met that many, Jaz. Because as long as I have met a number of Asians who are REPRESENTATIVE of the overall population, my observations are sound. Basic statistics) that the Asian culture does put tremendous value on education, career success, eloquence, mathematical skills, test scores, transcripts… etc. And these qualities in a man or a woman, actually appeal to the opposite sex in a sexual way. De facto. It’s truly dumbfounding the sexually attractive power of math in Asia. Boobs and butt don’t really cut it in Asia. I can say with UNcertainty that it’s because there isn’t much of either
Now, with African Americans, you can ask yourself the same question–what qualities drive them to reproduce? Eloquence? Math skills? SAT scores? or physique? The way she dances, aka, get low on the dance floor? His size, aka, you know what I’m referring to!
I believe the conclusion and contrast here are clear. And dear Teresa, would you say St. Obama is your average black man next door? I thought so, and there you go.
Just to clarify my previous comment, “to get an idea of the qualities that a population of people possess, you need only to look at the qualities that attract them to reproduce.” This is basic genetics, history of evolution.
More importantly, I think this Music vs SAT score graph is total bogus. For one, it’s damn difficult, next to impossible to obtain the unbiased statistics needed for generating this kind of claim. Plus, people listen to A LOT of different types of music. For example, me, I listen to Jay-z, Kanye, Maroon 5, The Killers, Muse, The Shins, Norah Jones, and Debussy. So what’s my score? the sum average of all that? BS.
I disagree. I believe that the graph may be quite accurate. Remember three things:
1. This chart shows the *average* SAT scores. Probably only the inner two quartiles, excluding any outstanding outliers (also basic statistics).
2. (or 1b.) One can’t really apply generalisations (statistics) to an individual with any guarantee. Remember, outliers and exceptions exist. Again, basic statistics.
3. The artists and genres that were used in this study were favorites of the individuals surveyed, not every artist or genre that the they listened to. If you really wanted to compare yourself (since you shouldn’t use this to predict your score, there are hundreds of other variables, particularly grades, that impact the result more reliably) then you should decide your favorite artist or genre and see what the average score for those fans lies.
LMiller your awesome.
Wow. That’s not statistics, and that’s opinionated. And that’s basing all SAT scores, lifestyle and musical preference on sexual attraction. Probably not so probable.
the idea that you and matt have above generalized what races and cultures value based on your experience of “observation” makes me sick to my stomach. your conclusions about the way things are in america is what’s wrong with america. these armchair statements about “most asians” and “what drives [african americans] to reproduce”.. how on earth can you type something like that? do you have any idea how ignorant you are?
please read a book. and stop saying such stupid things where people can read them.
I do agree. Like I said before it is how you are raised by your family that determines most of your values.
Thank you LMiller for this. It is a brilliant observation. What I think people are misunderstanding from your post is that it is not a “racial” issue, but rather a cultural one. For instance, I know many white “rednecks” who are completely ignorant – practically mongoloid. I also know African Americans who are extremely intelligent and cultured. It is all centered around the American sub-culture they were raised in. People who grow up in impoverished circumstances, such as the ghetto, are more likely to be attracted to lavish display of wealth and the fantasy of a rich and powerful thug – thus they perpetuate their ill-fated circumstance by pursuing crime as a “get-rich-quick” scheme. The sort of music they listen plays a dual role in this. First of all they are drawn to rappers’ success because they feel a sympathy in their lyrics. Many rappers came from the ghetto and inner-city. They beat the system and got rich on their ability to rhyme and perform. But this music has a role in perpetuating crime and greed as well, as the lyrics often speak of such base matters as “pimpin’” “hustlin’” and beating down perceived enemies among other things. Unfortunately those most at risk for falling into this vicious cycle are minorities, however I know many white kids who are enamored just as much with this fantasy lifestyle as are some people of color.
I believe the issue is about association. We are who we associate with, and that includes what we listen to and watch. If our lives are engrossed with such trivial things as BET, MTV, hip-hop and Grand Theft Auto III then we will attract others to us who share similar trivial obsessions and our situations will not be bettered. However, if our focus in life is bettering ourselves through education and hard work, then we will attract like-minded fellows who will act as support for our positive habits and lifestyles.
I don’t believe there is anything wrong with any of the media or entertainment mentioned above in and of itself, it is more a matter of focus. Where we spend our energy, time and money is where we will be strong. I think more people, regardless of race, ethnicity or background should spend more energy and time focusing on bettering themselves and the world around them than on the newest edition of Low Rider Magazine or mooning over the latest CD by Kanye West.
I couldn’t of said it better myself. =)
“It’s truly dumbfounding the sexually attractive power of math in Asia. Boobs and butt don’t really cut it in Asia.”-LMiller-
I’m sorry but……What? Have you seen an females in animes? Are you truly suggesting that the males in Asia are checking out a girls math scores and not the girl? I don’t care if they are Asian or other wise the guy’s not looking for A’s he’s looking for double D’s. It’s sad but true and it’s the same for the girls.
You have a very good point. ^_^’
Although, LMiller is also right in that Asians (at least Japanese, since they are the ones that I have had the most contact with – personal contact, not from solely watching anime) that intelligence *is* attractive, although, whether or not that attraction is sexual I do not know. It definitely seems to be.
So I guess it’s also true that white people eat lots of bologna, asians have small penises, and black people all have shoe collections huh?
Well maTT, to be differentiated from MAtt,
if that’s what you’ve observed personally, over a long period of time of being around whites, blacks, and Asians. Then, technically, sure. It doesn’t all have to sound so racist you know. I can restate exactly what you just said, and have it not come off even suggesting racism.
Matt, are you serious? It is all about access to education. When people of any background have access to good educational systems, they thrive and they value their education. Good educational systems are almost always tied into how much money the schools receive. Unfortunately, black and brown people tend to get the short end of the stick when it comes to their K-12 educational opportunities (underfunded schools, lack of books and materials, etc.). It’s really unintelligent to make blanket statements about entire ethnicities the way you did above.
Actually the reason that Asians are “smarter” than Americans, is because, as I mentioned before, the American education system is a joke. Students in Japan, India, and China actually get taught. (By the way, if you don’t believe me about the American education system, I had a friend from Brazil who could divide eight digit numbers in his head in less than 48 seconds (we timed it one day), and he wasn’t the only one in his class. Only two of his high school classmates took 1 minute and 42 seconds. Show me how many American college grads can divide two eight digit numbers without a calculator.)
u guys are so silly…i really dislike the “white” race
me too… I’m ashamed to be part of it.
You should never be ashamed of who you are.
That’s the short version.
The long version is, the SAT is a culturally biased test – written by middle class White professionals to be taken by the sons and daughters of middle class White professionals.
Not only is it culturally biased towards affluent European Americans, but that same demographic have the money to send their kids to extensive SAT prep classes – so they get an even greater unfair advantage.
The person who came up with this “study” wanted to cover up for that White bias – so they twisted the study by asking the wrong questions.
It’s not about musical preference, but about institutionalized racism.
If you would have read the article, the “study” is not a study at all. It is a statistical breakdown based on Facebook data. It really has no bias one way or the other.
grow up! enough with the race issue, music isn’t color!~
Yes It is.
yo not for one minute i agree with just listening to “white people music” is smarter…but you got to admit “white people music” is alot more creative than 85% of all black rap music. seriously look at the creativity put into videos? all rap music do is glorify cars, some dumb ass women, some alcohol, clicks and cities that care nothing about the people who rep. them. matter of fact as being black we the only race in america that has no type of flag to fly or culture to live and die by. now if where we discussing krs 1 or wu tang..some entertainers who would have you listening repeatedly to gain insight on what they are talking about that would be different…..so i am black and i been saying for years that some rap music dull your senses..lil wayne..i am from louisiana and i remember when he first came out..yes the dude has grown but seriously he still suck half of the time that sizzurp got his ass moving like screw music….yo we should take this as a lesson and “WAKE UP”
What’s White People music? I am a white person whom scored over 1200 on my SATs and I love Hip Hop. I also listen to a lot of other stuff on this list. Maybe a better way to corelate Music Taste to SAT scores would be view SAT score vs. Diversity of Music Listened to and enjoyed by the test subject?
The SAT is socio/economicaly bias anyway.
1) in general, blacks tend to be stupid
2) in general, blacks prefer black music
3) a sizeable proportion of those who listen to black music are black
4) the black music demographic is less intelligent than other music demographics due to these realities
5) you sound like a fool. i bet you watched a a ton of after school specials on political correctness as a kid
Actually, die to the poverty amongst the minorities, it’s the white middle class suburban children who make the rappers rich and famous. Google that.
I go to a university with 80% white students and THEY are the ones that are listening to rap music. And I’m not talking about the so called “wiggers”, I’m also talking about sorority girls that have long blond locks of hair with blue eyes and the All-American jocks. Every black person I know listens to alternative.
Research has even found that it’s caucasians that make the rap industry prosper. So you should check your facts before you make generalizations based off of the fact that the majority of rappers are black. The race of a recording artist does not determine the race of their audience.
.white people music? no its pretty musch saying that people that listen to more complicate dmusic are most likely more intelligent..polyrythms, lyrics with high vocabulary, multiple instruments with sound design etc.
I don’t know any idiots that listen to jazz and as far as harmonic and rhythmic sophistication much of it is right up there with Beethoven. I think this is one of the silliest things I’ve seen on the web.
yeah. duh
At lest Lil Waynes music bumps on sub woofers and sounds good
white people music is better. That “pimps and hoes and bitches at shows” bullshit makes you a DUMB ASS. sorry
Shocking most rap/hiphop is in the low end! Hmmm,lets see, i play no instruments, can’t sing and don’t read music, but I’m a musician! yeah right! the truth hurts rap is garbage!
I do agree. I play guitar and sing. Takes time skill practice and makes you smarter in the end ^_^
Rich CT
You are a racist idiot – the only reason you hate rap music is because it’s performed by African Americans. You know that as well as I do, so why not be honest and admit it – make peace with your inner klansman, and come out of closet as a bigot.
How about the possibility that rap is garbage. Not because of who performs it, but because it has no real meaning. Sure, you can argue that their are certain songs that hold significant social commentaries, but the are few and far between. I don’t think it is because the performers are African American, but rather the performers just don’t have a clue. Now, if you look at The Temptations, Barry White, Dizzy Gilespie, and many, many other African American musicians, true musicians, I bet the SAT score range of people liking that music would be more in the 115+ range.
So people can’t dislike rap music without being bigots? Darn and here I thought that the liking and/or disliking of a genre of music was a way of expression but I guess I was wrong. “Well I better throw out my Beethoven and go buy some lil wayne right now or else I may just become a klansmen!”
LOL! That’s funny. “Innerklansman.” I like that. I will have to use that one day.
The overwhelming majority of mainstream music in general is garbage. That’s why most of the rap you’ve heard is bad, because you’ve never been exposed to all of the good rap and hip-hop. There is equally as much crap “white music” that exists that will rot your brain. How is crap like Fallout Boy supposed to be any better than Lil’ John? And people like Jason Mraz? Creed? Avril Lavigne? Pure crap.
Have you ever tried programming an Akai MPC1000 sampling station/syntesizer? It takes a lot more skill and creativity than you can imagine to use it well.
Have you ever listened to the Roots? Aceyalone? Common? Talib Kweli? Atmosphere? Aesop Rock? Jurassic 5? The Fugees? J Dilla? Madlib? Cody Chesnutt? Prefuse 73?
These groups are real artists and musicians. Whatever musician you claim to be, I have no respect for you if you claim you “hate hip-hop” simply because you’re ignorant of what to listen to. You can’t be a real musician without acknowledging the origins of modern music in blues, soul, gospel, and jazz.
Anyone who blindly says “all rap is crap” is ignorant and probably racist.
Rap and Hip Hop is poetry set to music, maybe they aren’t musicians in the traditional sense of the word, but they are artists (in most cases) none the less.
It has nothing to do with what color you are, it has to do with there actually being instruments and singing!!! I give the screaming speed metal guys more credit than rappers, because at least the TRY and play an instrument, any fool can rhyme words. just by making the statement “white people music” shows your “true colors”
You do realize those “screaming speed metal guys”are actually amazing at what they do.Metal takes extremely high instrumental and vocal skills to play.
On topic:yeah its not about “race”(you think people would be over that by now).Its just a stupid study that i hardly believe its true
Rich CT, I find it interesting that you lump rap and hiphop together, and that you believe it is definitely on the low end. Obviously you have never heard any hip hop that was not on the radio or tv. Hip hop artists you may want to check out so your “true colors” comment doesn’t seem so racist.
Immortal Technique, Talib Kweli, Mos Def…go on youtube and listen to some songs by all of these and then say that anyone can rhyme words. These people have high intellect and it shows in their MUSIC.
Exactly!
Have you ever listened to Deaf Poetry, its a show and people come up and say(speak) their poem to the audience and most of them listen to hip hop and rap but what you’re thinking of is the mainstream crappy music that is seen on t.v and heard on local radio stations. Try and relate smartness with family values which therefore determines musical influence.
Maybe you should try taking an music appreciation class, it will show you if a person appreciates all music then they will be smarter. Even in Lil Wayne’s case, you could learn to appreciate that he is a well known artist and that people who are into physically sexual appeal enjoy that music.
Please don’t put all rap into the same category (Wayne is pop, by the way). Hip hop music is one of the main ways I learned English when growing up. I think it’s especially good because of all the rhymes, so if you know one word, you can maybe guess the next in line. What I listen to isn’t that dumbass, Lil Wayne, it’s much more intelligent people.
it’s called demographics ppl.. if u look at the typical demographic of the people who listen to whatever music, then u can probably surmise their access to better education… this is then reflected in their SAT scores… it’s not really about the music.. it’s about the demographics
It’s called correlation. All this study shows is a correlation, it makes no statement as to causality.
This chart tells me nothing meaningful. What if one listens to many of those bands and artists?
I listen to rap and I’m currently doing my residency. What does that say about me? For every fan of rap that has a low SAT score, i can show you a similar dumb ass that listens to rock or heavy metal.
That’s why the have “averages”
It has nothing to do with color/class/race/status etc. What I believe it corresponds to is how academic you are with your music. Beyond instant enjoyment, some music listening requires a certain amount of active intellectual participation; not just passive listening.
Hip Hop music isn’t the only music towards the bottom. I see The Used and Nickelback pretty close to that too. Kelly Clarkson lurks low as well. These are the listeners who are less likely to have intellectual conversations or are informed about things other than sports, reality tv and pop culture. I’m sure these people aren’t watching Goddard or Herzog films either. And I would also bet the last book they read (on their own) was either The DaVinci Code or Harry Potter. Maybe Twilight.
thank you very much. you hit it spot on.
To be fair on the book front, a lot of geeks read Harry Potter and The DaVinci Code, so they don’t necessarily correlate with low SAT scores or intelligence. The last book I read was Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban…the one before that was A Brief History of Time. And I got a 1590 on my SATs.
bullshit
so, i got a 1690. minus 1, and minus 0, heh heh…
I do agree.
John,
Your privilege is showing.
The SATs are all about race, color, class and status.
The very purpose of the Scholastic Aptitude Test is to ration out higher education – with the demographic that monopolizes college education (upper class Whites) getting certain special advantages to guarantee that their offspring will be at the head of the line.
That’s why the SATs are culturally biased towards White middle class culture – and that’s why all those SAT prep programs exist, which are only affordable for upper class Whites (and upper class Asians – who are heavily assimilated among upper class Whites to begin with).
Why not just admit the truth?
What’s with you Gangbox? Your just full of angst filled conspiracies against white people and the SAT s. You know not all white people are rich and not all black people are poor right? And the reason SAT prep programs are expensive isn’t to root out all the black people but simply because extra classes for anything is expensive and they are trying to make a profit. What people need sells and most people need or at least want to be prepared for the SAT s. You can claim that its biased but it’s based on what you’ve learned through out your life and last time I checked the black kids learn the same things in school as the white kids.
Not necessarily true Julia.
I am a mother whose 6 year old recently began elementary school. Now, my daughter was attending a predominately white school in her father’s district at first. Their focus was more on reading and building critical thinking skills, where now because of circumstances she is attending a predominately black school, where their focus is not nearly as much on reading as it is on math, but when she comes home, her homework looks more like busy work rather than the enforcement of what she learned for the day.
I definitely see the difference in education when it comes to demographics of the environment. Now in both schools my daughter has maintained the status of being top of her class. We don’t necessarily listen to all of Lil Wayne’s songs due to explicit lyrics, but we enjoy some hip hop, as well as R&B, neosoul, Afican, Reggae, Pop, Latin, Light Classical, Soundscapes, etc….you get where I am going with this.
I am actually in the middle of a paper speaking on the differences of negative and positive music. Now I do agree, there is a lot of hip hop that spits out garbage, but then there is a lot of hip hop that empowers, not to mention the cross bred genres such as gospel hip hop spreading a peaceful msg of Christ. But I said all of that to say, we can’t say white or black music, it’s about what is being said. I have documented children killing people under the influences of music (and drugs or chemical imbalances) and it came from other genres besides rap. One of the songs was a heavy metal song about a guy talking about his fantasies of killing his dad, and this 17yo kid goes and kills his dad after an argument.
So people really have to get of the race kick, it’s more of the mental capacity of how well you can manage yourself rather than being sucked in as a sheep, and follow what you hear.
well lets see black folks music lower sat scores surprise sir freakin prize maybe if they went and got a job instead of bumpin beats in 91 cadillacs wihile hitting the crack pipe they might have done better than a freakin 900 on sats what kind of moron cant get at least an 1100
you got it my man
Your point gets lost and comes across as hypocritical and/or ironic since you managed to type an entire paragraph without 1 instance of punctuation.
Oh yeah, not like that’s racist or stereotypical or anything…you’ve got a really wide, general idea of black lifestyles. Not like that’s been influenced by Hollywood or anything. No siree.
Wow I believe I have met some very educated black people who are not like that at all. You’re speaking of the ghetto.
Matt,
I applaud you for your honesty – you are a straight up racist…hell, you probably burn crosses and wear a white hood in your spare time.
David Duke and Tom Metzger would be very proud of you.
I can name like, five white people that I personally know that can fit that same description matt. So I’m pretty sure that it isn’t just “black folks”.
You know I went to a majority white school and a lot of whites I knew did not care about school, were high on drugs, usually meth, and had no regards for education. You really need to get out more, and stop letting that brainwashing box called a t.v. distort your judgement. Actually, you find crack in the inner cities because it’s the cheap stuff, it is the white suburban children and their parents who can afford the heavy expensive stuff. You can google that.
Matt really crazy statement. Its not a black thing its a poverty thing. Silly response.
It has nothing to do with poverty, it has a lot to do with how you are raised or in the case of most kids in poverty, not raised. Being poor does not make you stupid, but having parents or a parent raising you and never bothering to ask if you have homework, or a test to study for, can!!!
CPCris,
Poverty is not caused by individual stupidity.
It’s caused by the natural functioning of the capitalist system.
Capitalism rations goods and services – the few at the top who run society get more than their fair share, while those at the bottom live in want and privation, and those in the middle get just enough to get by.
Education, intelligence of the lack of either have nothing to do with any of that – just look at George Bush, an absolute moron who had the good luck to be born superrich!
Geez. You sound like you have taken one too many college courses taught by ultra socialist profs.
Gangbox, look at your computer monitor. That’s capitalism baby. Some ‘greedy’ guy decided he was going to produce something from his hardwork and education (real education like engineering not bullshit like humanities) and in return expects someone to work hard and produce something else of value. Capitalism does not ration anything, it produces wealth and rewards those who are willing and able to produce. Without capitalism there wouldn’t be any room for altruism and charity because no wealth would be produced.
If you really hate capitalism I beg you don’t consume another product, good or service, made with capitalist sensibilities in mind. You’ll have to go without food, shelter, clothing, medicine, computers, automobiles, movies, music, books, instruments, beds, couches, chairs, iPods, taxis, gyms, restaurants, toiletries, and many millions of other things. Even the poor in america have access to these things (yes even medicine, through charity and government programs), which is more than can be said for the poor in Cuba, North Korea, Pol Pot’s Cambodia, Vietnam, and China.
Now I wonder how far the world would have come based solely on the tears of the socialists and communists crying for “equality” and “justice”.
By the way I’m not the same Racist matt from before.
Um not to be uppity but the World Health Organization’s ranking of Cuba was the 39th best just barely losing to America’s 37 place so the poor in Cuba actually do get around the same care as the poor in America. (a little fun fact for the day).
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Isn’t the average SAT score in the 1500’s. So, doesn’t this mean Beethoven people are on the dumb side too. So, the moral of this story is to NOT listen to any music?
It’s based off the old test where 1600 was a perfect score.
facepalm’d
1500 would be really good. I did 1420 and I think that was like 97th percentile or something. Pretty sure average is around 800
No, if you learn about musical background and appriciate it, that is what will raise your scores. Oh, I hate how it is all about the SAT scores, MAYBE SOME PEOPLE ARE NOT GOOD TEST TAKERS!
You aren’t kidding about that Sama!
Most people don’t just listen to one artist though, so it’s pretty silly. I listen to everything on that chart from T.I. to Beethoven so what does that mean.
Somewhat strange is the fact that Lil’ Wayne actually gets really reviews from music mags like Pitchfork, so you’d think that he wouldn’t rank so low. Personally I hated Tha Carter III, but I don’t think it has anything to do with my SAT score.
And anyways, one of my med school classmates is a Harvard grad and like the biggest Lil’ Wayne fan ever.
I suspect that since most people listen to multiple artists it’s just the few people who only listen to a few artists skewing the numbers off. Like the 10 really dumb people who listen to Lil’ Wayne and the one guy on campus who listens to Beethoven.
hmmm i listened to a lot of Nirvana and Rage in HS and i got 1130 (c/o ‘95). weird.
I listen to heavy metal and scored a 2100 (this year) my first try
I just wanna say, I’m disappointed that this became a race thing. I really hope one day we can NOT do that. Its about the music people.
Lil Wayne is not “Black” music. There is no such thing as that nowadays… If all race of people didn’t buy his music he wouldn’t have sold all those albums.
I agree that it has to do with poverty. It’s very difficult for any child of any race to be thinking of sat’s when there’s nothing to eat at home. I myslef loved listening to everything from gospel to classical music. I too had to learn the language when I first came here and I did this by listening to ‘oldies’ my parents had cranked up on the radio. I still don’t understand how music can make you dumb? I played two different instruments in h.s, many of us did. If you’re lucky you still play but it in no way makes you dumb. The rhyming is not just a ‘rap’ thing,most music lyrics rhyme and the song flows better. Just like the words complement eachother then the notes do as well. The chart is dumbfounding because I didn’t do so great on my Sat’s and I highly doubt music was a factor in me not doing great. Music was& always will be there to give me a hand with the daily grind.
I think it says that if you listen to black people music you are probably dumb. And that if you are smart you probably like stupid music because you have so much feelings but no rhythms.
READ IN FULL:
It says nothing about the supposed correlation of listening to “black people music” and being dumb. Just by stating “Lil Wayne” as an example does not make it all “black people music”. Ever heard of Louie Armstrong or John Coltrane? I’m sure the folks that listen to these guys would score higher than average. The reason?….
The majority of the population tends to like music that is of a 4/4 rhythm, between 100-60 beats per second, with simple lyrics and preferably is made of a I,IV, V or other similar progression. Music that falls in this category consists of familiar and harmonious vibrations that do not “disturb” the AVERAGE listener.
Music that contains diverse progressions and dissonant notes, such as Jazz and Classical, often require an ear that can correctly interpret the notes being heard and can appropriately register to the brain that it is a “pleasing sound”. Similar to developing a taste for a food or wine….this interpretation can grow more efficient if exposed more often. That’s why it is good for children to absorb as much diverse music as a child.
Unfortunately….the “average” music industry does not cater to the ABOVE AVERAGE LISTENER. Instead, it churns out “factory hits” for the masses, the averages, and the below averages because the industry knows (through similar tests such as above) that this is the majority of humans listening levels.
Plus, obviously there is an average intelligence level….
A similar study may read something like this….
STUDY SHOWS LINK BETWEEN INTERESTS AND SAT SCORES.
Recent studies have shown that students who are interested in Nuclear Physics and Decolonizing Methodologies tend to score higher SAT Scores than students who are interested in “The Bachelor” and “Real World MTV”.
Blah, blah, blah, blah…………
Was about to post almost the exact same explaination. Glad to know not everyone on earth is a drooling sheep zombie =)
actually, i hate to say it, but the music i listen to is correlated correctly with what i received on my sat’s. classic rock, zeppelin. shouldn’t have thrown away my sister’s counting crows cds. wow, i remember buying the first third eye blind cd too.
this is a little scary.
i received an 1120 on my sat’s best of 2 tests. wasn’t a good student and didn’t do that well on the exam. i listen to classic rock, the goo dolls, jimi, zeppelin, system all who fall into my scoring category.
should have listened to a lot more ludwig van, maybe life would be a little different.
thisis the dumbest waste of memory ever. smh @ white cracker trash ignorance.yall gonna pay
I got a 1580 and I like Rage, reggaeton, Blink, Green Day, Cake, etc- WHERE IS YOUR PRECIOUS SCIENCE NOW?!?
From the sound of you, I would guess you meant 1580 out of the new SAT.
Where is Immortal Technique?
There is a mean and standard deviation on the SAT, that is recalculated for every new edition of the test. Usually the subtest mean is about 500 with a standard deviation of about 100. That means that the average score on the modern SAT isn’t even represented in this study, because the modern SAT average score is about 1500. I know this because I was in the last group to take the old SAT, and in the pilot group to take the new SAT. The chances of the mean score being less than 1450 is less than .1%. Therefore, either the study is wildly outdated or fraudulent, designed just to piss people off and start controversy. My guess is the latter.
Also, the collection methods are incontrovertably unscientific, and this is a matter of correlation. According to Mr. Griffith, this is enough in this case. He is a computer scientist. With computers you can see the results, look at the logs, and find out why effect X correlates with result Y. I am a psychologist. When you deal with real people, you need to provide a stimulus and observe the behavior to understand what causes the result, which makes it much harder for us to get accurate results and have more research into experimental methods and controls than actual behavioral data, in most cases. The moral? We are more careful.
Furthermore, it is just as racist to assume that white people like music style X and black people like music style Y. All of my friends, regardless of race, have diverse musical tastes, and every single one of them has sophisticated reasons for liking what they do like and disliking what they dislike. The only people who believe that there is such a thing as _insert_race_ specific music are the ones who never gave it a chance.
Finally, the SAT has a long history of bias based on “something correlating highly with ethnicity.” Until the 1970’s, bigotry was an American legal institution. This affected schooling, employment, housing, basic medical care, Hell, people, American scientists deliberately left syphilis untreated in dozens of black men in Tuskegee, Alabama, which has a direct, observable, degenerative affect on cognition. Bigots can be clever, and overbalance the system in their own favor.
This chart is obviously a hoax. It was clearly photoshopped.
this is so FALSE
I agree.
False or not it give us all something to whine about. Really they should make their next study on how people responded to this chart.
I listen to Rap and Techno. I love 2Pac, Immortal Technique, DMX, Talib Kwali, Blackstar, Mos Def, Kanye, Mac Dre, and tons more. I also listen to Armin van Buuren, Daft Punk, deadmau5, Kaskade.
I scored a 1530/1600.
Booya, bitches
Not “Booya, bitches”
Booya to the graph.
Your fellow commentators did not question your intelligence or suggest a correlation between it and your musical preferences.
this guy is jus some bored elitest asshole with nothing to do…i got a 1400 on my SAT and I don’t even listen to Beethoven I listen to hip-hop and rock…homeboy needs to chill out n go get some pussy lmao
Seriously, from the sound of your response, there is NO WAY you got a 1400 (unless you mean a 1400 on the new SAT).
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wtf, why is 1400 the maximum? this dosent tell me anything. anyone who gets lower then 1500 is retarded. i got a 1850 and i’m only in 10th grade. i suggest a higher maximum for the sat scores, stop lookign in retard schools
From the way I see it, the possibility of you being a retard is significantly higher than the rest of us. The scale on this graph is obviously according to the old SAT, which is out of 1600. As for yourself, 1850 out of 2300 is nothing to brag about.
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For those of you who are old and nearing 30, the SAT’s cap for a high grade is at 1600.
Also, black people listen to Radiohead and Beethoven too.
dylan liu (23:33:46) :
wtf, why is 1400 the maximum? this dosent tell me anything. anyone who gets lower then 1500 is retarded. i got a 1850 and i’m only in 10th grade. i suggest a higher maximum for the sat scores, stop lookign in retard schools
man please pleaseee get a life… or a girl =) i recommend you watch the star wars special on youtube with conan o’brien it will give you an idea of how will you look in the future.
also, i think the this chart is messed up because the Beethoven scores could be inflated by how many people actually list themselves as Beethoven listeners.
For instance, if this thing goes by popularity. Far Far more people listen to lil’ wayne than Beethoven; so its going to have a greater diversity in people who listen. Poor and rich, white and black, well educated to not very well educated…compared to Beethoven which is probably mostly listened to by, lets face it, middle upper class white people who have had good to great education in their lives.
Ahh yeah, its soo true cause LiL wayne is a so call “boston celtic” fan and all the “celtic fans” listen to him since he made a song that sounds like he is dying cow about the Lakers which really didnt mean shit to us laker fans since its just a retard singing to be apart of the banwagon. But anyways what all this means is that the celtic fans are really metally challenge cause how could they get confuse and say Kobe Bryant is the MVP then turn around and say their own Paul Pierce is MVP. . . so it explains since they listen to his dying cow lil wayne means the Boston Celtic fans are Retarded!
Its soo true go to Youtube and see the grammer these LiL wayne and Soulja boi fans have. . . For crying out loud look how they spell their names. What the heck is this. . . “soulja”, “boi”, “lil”??
^You’re not the brightest bulb on the block, either.
Where is the ELECTRONICA? This data is useless to me. Without electronic music, it has no relevance to me.
And no, Radiohead is not electronic.
Agreed.
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some of that ‘white people music’ makes you dumb, too – Garth Brooks!
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Rolling Stones anyone?
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i wonder if any of you heard of the ‘mozart effect’ if not look into it, it’s interesting
i wonder if any of you heard of the ‘mozart effect’ if not look into it, it’s interesting,
why the fuck this won’t let me publish this?
I’m a rap artist, but I do believe this chart is somewhat true.
Everybody wanna use race as the issue, but most of Lil Wayne’s fans are white! Music with no content or social commentary will dumb you down, and Beethoven was a musical genius who lived by a standard that was way higher than most musicians today. All music creates vibrations, but how do those vibrations effect the mind? Go figure….
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I got an 1890 and listen to older Common Sense, J Dilla, Mos Def and Talib Kweli. For someone to say Hip Hop is not music or a talent, then that shows the person’s real ignorance.
This chart is not a race thing and is about as inaccurate as the local weather report. First of all, to all those complaining that all the “black” music is at the bottom, did you not notice jazz and classical are right down there at the lower end with the rap? Ludacris is higher than classical, LOL. Beethoven is the only classical music at the top of the chart. Besides, where was this study conducted? I know PLENTY of intelligent people who listen to rap. I also know plenty of intelligent people who don’t listen to classical, but some really weird alternative music.
And to the people taking this as just another opportunity to take racists shots or try to lump all blacks into this group of welfare receiving, big rims on loud cars driving, ignorant, crime committing, drug abusing, education avoiding misfits….well, it just shows we have REALLY stupid, dumb, ignorant, clueless people of ALL races out there. Learn more about a race than what your limited exposure or the nightly news shows you. You’re actually viewed as violent murdering brutes by a large portion of the world. I’m sure you don’t feel you are the devil most of the non-white world views you as. However, their opinions of you are formed from limited sources such as the news and propaganda, (just like yours). Some of the very countries that Americans think are so violent, and are scared to death to visit, actually think America is WORSE.
Wow, this comments thread is so full of failure, it’s almost hilarious.
The guy behind this “study” created a correlation and nothing more. He didn’t attempt, or imply, any sort of causation. Need I link to this graph:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FSM_Pirates.png
As any pastafarian is familar with, causation and correlation are not always related.
Furthermore, the study was done using average school scores and that statistical method alone voids all sort of anecdotal evidence (“I like Lil Wayne, but I got a 1500!”) because it’s about statistical averages. And as is the case with statistics, there are deviations on either side of the spectrum here.
i Scored a 1520 on my SAT and i bump Lil wayne everyday!
I don’t see the Waybacks on there. I guess that it because they are off the chart to the right.
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While I did have a hearty chuckle off of this study, there do seem to be real bizarre inconsistencies on this chart. I’ll address them one by one.
1. While some people got named (like Lil Weezy), some entries are entire genres. 12 rows down, in the upper 900’s, you’ll find a bubble for classical. Beethoven is classical. See the problem?
2. While we’re on this genre thing, jazz, which is 8 rows down and in the lower 900’s, seems a bit preposterous to me. I mean seriously, if we’re talking about Kenny G, I’d believe it. If we’re talking about Charlie Parker, I’m gonna have call bullshit on that.
3. There is a similar problem with techno, 6 rows down in the early 1000’s. Adam Beyer would be believable, but Aphex Twin would not. His stuff is every bit as complicated as Classical music.
Which brings me to point 4. If musical complexity is to be the deciding factor, then I’ve got some real bad news. Beethoven, though I thoroughly enjoy his work, is not the most musically complex composer out there. Liszt and Bach would give him a run for his money any day of the week. On the flip side, there’s plenty of hip-hop that is more idiotic than Lil Wayne. Bump a Soulja Boy track, and find out what I mean. That sucka makes Wayne look like Rakim.
SAT’s are about as worthless as IQ tests.
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Hah, I’ve been listening to Green Day for years now. It’s bumped my score up by about 200 points.
Ok…so, yes, much of the music by African American artists is to the left on the chart and much of the music by white artists is to the right on the chart. But what about thinking about this less as a “dumb” thing and more of a problem with the SAT. Standardized tests are notorious for their problems with being skewed towards one particular cultural base (generally the dominant one) with little regard for other ways of thinking, knowing, and being. I think this chart says more about the failure of the SAT than anything about personal smartness.
IM a black 24 year old man, I love little wayne, and hard core rap & I’ve NEVER looked at the SAT before. If you looked at me you would probably assume I am some sort of gang banger…..but i have a AA and a BA and I’m about to start my own business.
“It’s called correlation. All this study shows is a correlation…” <– this is correct. All this study says is:
1. people who like the classical genre-did “better” on the s.a.t.
2. the s.a.t. is said to be culturally bias anyway, [ in most aspects] with one exception… math, which of course, is universal.
In my opinion, all great artists, no matter the genre, should be RESPECTED. Im not a fan of Mozart, but I respect him & his work. Having said that, I can’t understand how someone can consider Lil Wayne’s [or any other successful rappers'] music “garbage”.
My advice is this… goto a club, take a couple of tequila shots, and tell the dj to play Lil Wayne’s “Got Money” ft. T-Pain, I’ll bet you have a little fun… if nothing else.
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Well said.
There’s a real shocking world of ignorance out there, and this kind of pseudo science really doesn’t help. I mean shit…I talk to a guy regularly who works on the Large Hadron Collider at Cern. Yep… a theoretical particle physicist. Guess what he rocks in his car? The Carter III by, you guessed it, Lil Weezy. So much for the egghead vs. thug generalizations.
It’s all so pointless.
so your friend only listens to lil weezy or does he have some other artists that are perhaps on the other side of the chart that he likes
well I see all the mainstream artists. But what about underground artists ?
This chart lost all credibility as soon as i saw jazz and classical at the lower end of the spectrum.
why
Notice the music that takes time, effort, and real musicians is higher on the spectrum than music made on sound boards with drum machines and vocals you can’t understand.
I scored a 1360 on the new SAT and at that time listened almost exclusively to country music with a little bit of pop thrown in. Now I’m a sophomore at a selective university, listen to country, pop, hip hop/rap and had a 4.0 last semester.
The chart is interesting, but certainly doesn’t apply to me, nor to many people, judging by these comments.
I listen to music to relax and have fun, not to make myself smarter.
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i listen to lil wayne all the time.. dedication is the best mixtape i have heard…. i made a 1260 out of 1600 on my sat
Mozart, Brahms, Bach, Vivaldi, Telemann, Schubert, etc. didn’t make the list? Or were they off the scale at one end or the other?
It’s not a race thing if you consider the fact that 12.5 percent of the population is african american yet so-called “Urban” music is the highest selling. You can call lil’ wayne “white” music when speaking demographically.
Besides, I listen to all genres of music.
Shrug.
I would like to comment that I am a normal person – middle class. Grew up lower class. And I’ve always listening to Beethoven and Classical music, and I have a 4.0 gpa in college and plan on going to Grad school.
I don’t think it’s the music you listen to, per say, as much as your ambition to aspire to better yourself.
take a look at this response to the study on HipHopDX
http://www.hiphopdx.com/blogs/RANTRAVE/2009/02/28/hip-hop-won-t-make-you-dumb-but-lil-wayne-might.html
Where is Elvis Presley on this list???
I study psychology for fun… I’m also one of the most social people you’ll ever want to meet. I’ll explain the results in scientific terms:
Lil Wayne is extermely popular street rap. In the streets of a tough neighborhood, you can get shot, stabbed… robbed, etc.
A very high fight or flight enviroment.
Beethoven is a dead guy who composed music with no lyrics in a time where there were no cars, no 808’s. No electric guitars, no athiests, no strippers, no Myspace, no thongs, no spandex.
No high energy strip club music… No captivating artists. Face it, it’s really hard to rap Lil Waynes complex lyrics and read a book at the same time. You can hum Beetoven, right?
He is an entertainer, a compelling public figure and his music amps you up.
IT’S AN INCOMPLETE STUDY.
If you’re Mr. Popular, a regular Zack Morris, you don’t need grades to get ahead in life.
MOST POLITICIANS EARNED C’S IN COLLEGE.
Because they were Mr. or Mrs. Popular.
YOU CAN’T REALLY DO 2 THINGS AT ONCE.
Either you are a nerd, or a CEO.
Or an ok both.
THIS ARTICLE WAS WRITTEN AS A STUDY TO SEE WHAT PEOPLE WOULD SAY SO THAT THEY CAN USE YOUR ANGER AS A TEMPLATE FOR THEIR NEXT AD CAMPAIGN… So you say “Oh, I don’t agree with this, so I’ll buy that.”
I study this shit, the shit that most people don’t know.
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lil wayne is of no respect to real rappers u dumb mother fucking CEO wannabe what ever u are, posting your myspace shit so u can get some more views…dumbfounded….psshhhh
lil wayne is a sell out, so he grew up poor big whoop, all this shows is that he made money talking about his shitty life and getting symphony sales, not sales from real lovers of music. but you are just as ignorant as these people who you put down… you don’t know real hip/hop and if you did you wouldn’t call lil wayne’s music street rap, rather its just trash hip-pop, not hip-hop.
where’s the asian musicians on this list? Ayumi hamasaki? Jay chou? I wonder if listening to asian music does anything beneficial to SAT scores…
yeah it turns you into a homo
thus raising your interior design IQ
unless you bring up some DECENT ASAIN ARTISTS not more fucking gay-pop like jay chou he is just as bad as lil wayne
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[...] computer people on the planet — Virgil Griffith — has just released the results of a brand new study which showed a correlation between SAT scores and the musical tastes of college [...]
Well if most of Lil’ Waynes listeners are white, then its the white people who try to act black who are least intelligent?
Actually i don’t think it’s necessarily a matter of what music you listen to. Lil’ Wayne is popular right now, and this chart was made while he is still popular. It’s usually the mindless sheep who just follow whoever is popular at the time. When he loses popularity, the average of IQ of people who listen to him will probably be higher up the chart. At the same time, whoever is the new popular figure in music will likely attract all of the mindless people, and even though it may or may not be good music, the masses of people will cause the average IQ of people who listen to him/her to drop.
System Of A Down should be further up there, the intricacies and even similarities to Beethoven in their music are great.
Just means niggaz don’ waste they time on dis shit and YT it boring enuf to study fo’ dat crap
Fuck honkeys anyway and they damned tests and testicles
Actually I think there is some legitimacy to this survey…
Typically, the musical structure in songs from Lil Wayne and Beyonce is very simplistic. It’s usually composed of very basic rhythms and very repetitive words and rhyme schemes. Bethoven’s music is highly composed – many instruments playing a host of non-repetitive pattern. Basically, simple music is boring to intelligent minds, and empty minds can’t understand complex music.
Race intrinsically has nothing to do with it; however, we are still experiencing racial desegregation, even though the legality has been dealt with far in the past. There are major cultural differences between races in this country, and while I hate that fact, it is still true. White or black people aren’t smart or stupid, but cultures are. I know white people who are geniuses and white people who are just morons, and the same for my African American friends.
I don’t think this study shows music that makes you dumb so much as what music dumb people listen to…
Absolutely…
Awesome, Sufjan Stevens is the highest next to Beethoven. I don’t know if I believe this either, but it’s true that that guy makes some intelligent music.
I think the real point is: who gives a shit about the SATs? Listen to whatever fucking music you like and enjoy life. There’s a lot more out there than a goddam test score! ….. oh and every genre of music has something to offer, it is not necessary to justify it with numbers. NOT EVERYONE WAS MEANT TO GET A HIGH SAT SCORE.
I find it rather odd that most of the country music on the list comes before the rock and roll music, but that may just have been my personal preference.
Oh and Lil Wayne sucks ass.
I listen to classical music, indie music, and hard rock. I don’t listen to music in my spare time, but I can play an instrument. My first try on the SATs was 1780. Certain people like certain types of music. Let us not make this about race. You would hardly find any students in the upper tier of rigorous schools listening to rap, regardless of their race. Just an observation…
And where would Drum and Bass be plotted on this chart?
Fuck you, Beethoven.
Aw- is someone here a lil wayne fan? Don’t blame Beethoven.
When I first read this I immediaely thought of the ‘Mozart Effect’ which csaba has already mentioned.
“A set of research results that indicate that listening to Mozart’s music may induce a short-term improvement on the performance of certain kinds of mental tasks known as “spatial-temporal reasoning.”
And also, I once read an article stating that there is a high association between those who listen to heavy metal and smart people.
Just google “heavy metal smarter”, there are articles on it. Might be interesting.
your IQ or SAT scores have nothing to do with the music you listen to. i personally never took the SAT’s. but when i was in 1st grade i scored a 138 on an IQ test administrated by my school psychologist. i still have the test results. i then went on to fail 3rd grade. switched schools a few times, and went to a few summer schools because of my poor grades. i hated school, felt bored with it, felt bored with the people around me, didn’t try, and my parents didn’t give a shit how bad i did.
i grew up on rap. i grew up listening to Ice Cube, Biggy, Tupac, Dr. Dre, NWA. I am also white. And i don’t drink, smoke, or do any drugs. and i never have.
today i own my own business, am still bored by 99% of the people i meet, and think lil waynes name should never be mentioned in the same sentence as the above.
Blah, Blah, Blah.
i’ve never not believed something as much as i don’t believe this right now.. there are so many things wrong with the first step of this sorry, sad, undertaking.
i think this has to do more with socio-economics.
Has anyone else noticed that the original chart has been removed?
i’m interested to see where asian music ranks
i find this really…really…really…STUPID!!!!!!!!!! whoever created this just wanted to make a low blow to rappers, r&b singers, an GOSPEL SINGERS!!!! ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!! i want to meet this person who created this and tell him what a fool he is for doing this. For the record hip-hop and rap are two different things. the chart say if you listen to rap you score higher than a person who listen to hip-hop. LIL WAYNE, T.I., AND LUDACRIS IS RAP!!!! OUTKATST AND KAYNE WEST IS HIP-HOP. JAY-Z, NAS, AND EMINEM FALLS INBETWEEN!!! THIS SHIT IS STUPID!!! PLEASE SIR WHOEVER YOU ARE….SPEAR YOURSELF!!!
you’re stupid!! you probably flunked in high school before!!
hmm i don’t really believe this study
I listen to a little bit of everything (except not really country..)
and I did alright on the SATs, but I know tons of people that listen to mostly rap and have waaay better SAT scores then I got. The music you listen to doesn’t necessarily mean your good at taking tests or that your not as smart or smarted than others. That depends on how well you comprehend. :]
Where is Jimmy Buffett???
I listen to everything on that list….but my SAT score was 1300….
oh well.
Interesting…
Other than the fact that I’m obviously calling BULLSHIT!
Umm…where are The Rolling Stones?
@ ph13
Jimmy Buffet is below 800
I breezed through a lot of the comments because my attention span is dwindling.
I do have one question though…. Did anyone notice that Outkast (Hip Hop rated) beat out all Country artists?
Explain the race thing there…….
Well, Lil’ Wayne is my favorite artist and I scored perfect on the math section…
are you serious! Although I tend to agree listening to classical music might have a correlation to a high SAT score but that necessarily isn’t the case. Tell me what “normal” teen listens to classical music? Listening to Lil Wayne doesn’t make you dumb. It’s your choice to learn, study, practice, etc. A lot may have to do with the environment the teens are in etc….What really is dumb is that we are arguing about this damn “survey”…hahaha
WOW everyone has taken this way out of context! It does not mention race, background, or location in this at all. It is based entirely on music. How can someone say it’s because of race at all? I know tons of white people who LOVE lil wayne and I know black people who LOVE U2. Everyone is getting so worked up over this being racist when it is only music. If you want to bring race into it, find a study that does music and race. This isn’t assuming everyone who listens to Lil Wayne comes from a poor family that can’t afford SAT prep. It says nothing AT ALL about where anyone is coming from in this. Dumb people are everywhere. Smart people are everywhere. This is about types of music. Everyone should try and not jump on the “this is so racist” bandwagon all the time and take this for what it is.
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Well…………. this has been entertaining I never knew people were this defensive about their favorite music types.
Well, that’s kinda foolish, but not false I think. I listen to almost all of those listed artists and I’m average. Maybe I should listen to more classics
haha
i got an 1800 and weezy is in my ears all day.
not only that. but this is bs cause no high school students listen to beethoven
[...] Lil Wayne fans are stupid. PROOF! According to a recent study, Lil Wayne fans are as dumb as a rock. If you enjoy Beyonce and T.I., you’re not too far behind. If you listen to Beethoven, you’re practically a genuis. Data for the study was gathered from Facebook. The study’s author found kids from different colleges across the US, and compared their favorite music to the average SAT scores from those schools. According to the results, Lil Wayne fans had the lowest SAT score at 876, giving his fans the dreaded title of "dumbest fans," while fans bands like Radiohead, Counting Crows and singer Sufjan Stevens ranked in the 1200s. Fans of Beethoven ranked the highest at 1376. A perfect SAT score is 1600. The study called Musicthatmakesyoudumb [sic] was conducted by famous American hacker Virgil Griffith, a 2007 University of Alabama graduate, who gives lectures at hacker conferences all across the Nation. A previous study by Griffith called Booksthatmakeyoudumb, listed "The Holy Bible" as one of the books read most often by individuals with low SAT scores, and "Lolita" as well as "100 Years of Solitude" on the highest end of the scale. The study’s popularity with his peers inspired Griffith to find out which bands and genres of music were popular with people with certain SAT scores. Much like Griffith’s previous study Booksthatmakeyoudumb, which listed "The Holy Bible" as the one of the books read by those with low SAT scores, Gospel was the dumbest music genre with an average SAT score of 916. Closely following Gospel music is Hip Hop and Jazz. Despite the high number of smarties who listen to Beethoven, classical music rated low, at a dim 976. Ironically, techno was the highest rated genre at 1056. In this study, most Individual groups rated much higher than genres. Many people are outraged by this study, calling it judgmental, ignorant and racist, despite Griffith’s attempt at gathering a good cross-section of America . When this study made its way to TMZ, straight A students and college graduates who scored high on their SATs came out of the woodwork to show their love for Lil Wayne. Most people seemed to despise the message of generalization. I can see how some artists are more cerebral than others. I only know one Lil Wayne fan, and can honestly say she is a complete rock who can’t spell or put together a complete, intelligent thought to save her life, but that doesn’t mean I lump all of his fans in a similar "challenged" category. Not all of Rufus Wainwright’s fans are gay. Not all fans of emo groups wear black and want to kill themselves. Many people who are into classical music and play classical instruments love Jay Z and Eminem because their songs have unique rhythms and flows that come off as fresh and fun to those who study classical. The big lesson here? Although generalization is dangerous, facts are facts, and averages are just that. No matter what the averages are, you will find Lil Wayne fans spanning the entire SAT score spectrum. Sources: SAT Scores vs. Music You Listen To We got more bounce in Columbus. [...]
Thank you for posting that. For real.
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what you talking about white music? Im white I do not listen to Beethoven. However, lil wayne only says like 4 words in all his songs and has basicly the same beat too, so I can see that sorta.
How is this a white and black thing? Im Chinese and im just as offended wheres the Chinese music artists? So I poo on all you haters of popular music and your SAT scores.
thanks god i love classical music
I would just like to point out that a lot of Country music was also rated low!
Rednecks ain’t so bright!
I don’t think this is a very informative comparison. If you want to add to it the economic status/schools attended by the same students I think you might find it a bit more enlightening.
An upper middle to upper class student attending a posh private school is more likely to listen to Beethoven or Monteverdi or even Ben Folds than say a student that has attended public school in an inner city or somewhere in the sticks.
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Tis is the stupidest thing i have ever head. I love listening to lil waynes music and that does not mean that i am stupid. I am sorry to tell you that i am number 1 in my class and i have all of his albums, so i think even though you want to set vevrything off and tell us that lil waynes music makes us dumb that is a lie and i hope you know that his music has feeling ot it, amd wel, up to today none of the students in my class who listen to beethoven are smarter than me.
yeah, number 1 in RETARD school!!!
first of all, Ludacris said at a show in Vegas that if it wasn’t for his white fans then he wouldn’t have sold millions of records. you can’t have bling, unless white america is into your thing.
second of all, since i didn’t invest my time in the study, i dont believe or trust it.
3. it’s really just a select few that are smart. that list and the people on this msg board are mutually exclusive. and dont think im not aware of my own stupidity. it’s like joe rogan said “i know im stupid. and yet….most of the people i meet are more stupid than me”.
4. im of the opinion that almost everyone has some kind of intelligence. i know a down syndrome kid who draws blueprints of ships and airplanes, and he’s not a savant or anything. im not sure if i believe completely what im about to say, but to me the ability to survive in a given social system is my definition of intelligence. the questions from tha definition arise when you ask yourself, “what does it mean to survive?” is it having happiness? a full family? a lot of money? a lot of shit? ability to have leisure? food, clothing, shelter. does eating chicken mean u score lower on the SATs than eating bologna? haha. absurd and silly discussion. mainly because i dont identify with my race, my gender, my culture, my homo sapien sapien brothers and sisters. i feel completely isolated and annoyed with the fact that i dont understand or like the stereotypes that i typify. at least a study like this makes people feel more connected in that they all know who lil wayne is and have sociologically general opinions on the consequences of highly personal opinions on the attractiveness of the music of lil wayne. what is it even to like something? like the beat? like the scales? like the progression? like the way it makes you feel or think? who gives a fuck.
i think that the kid who made this is a verry smart ndividual………..also very creepy and has o much time on hs hands…………..but smart
Hahaha, LMAO. I think ya’ll need to take a chill pill bro. What cha’ll getting all worked up & defensive bout this crap for. Chill out, get off ya high horse & stop being so ridicules. You aint gon get nowhere from telling people over the net how you feel bout things. Oh & one other thing ya’ll, stop trying to act all hardcore with the keyboard; fighting on the net/having arguments on the net is like racing in the Special Olympics; even if ya’ll win the fact remains that chur still retarded. Peace out ya’ll.
IT REALLY IS SIMPLE, STUPID PEOPLE LISTEN TO STUPID PEOPLE (AND THEIR MUSIC). PERSONALLY I HATE BEETHOVEN, RAP, COUNTRY, ALTERNATIVE, AND GOSPHEL MUSIC. THEY ALL SUCK GIVE ME SOME SLAYER, LAMB OF GOD, SALT THE WOUND. ANYTHING METAL SCREW LIL’ WAYNE AND BEETHOVEN ONE IS ALREADY DEAD AND THE OTHER GHETTO SCUM SHOULD BE TOO. I’M NOT RACIST I JUST HATE THE WAY MOST YOUNG BLACK FA6S ACT.
amen to that
but show some love for the dead man!
I agree. I’m white, and the only music I listen to is rap. I scored a 1380 on the SAT. And for the people think rap is garbage; I had a teacher in high school who was a poetry fanatic, and I turned in the lyrics to an Eminem song for a poetry assignment. She thought it was brilliant, and I got a 100
Im black I listen to lil wayne, COLDPLAY, T.I, Beyonce, and more but Im normal I mostly listen to coldplay but still I listen to the others
I know some pretty smart-ass people who listen to lil wayne
why do they own billions?? didn’t think so–LIL WAYNE=RETARDATION–get some if you want it!!!
i just want to know how the f*** are kanye west fans smarter than Justin Timberlake fans? That’s so not right…and the whole lil wayne status..totally absurd!
I hope this helps. Its as simple as this. It’s saying that smart people tend to listen to classical music because like there brains it is multi-layered and direct. For each layer of the mind there is something in the music to latch on to and take a part. Where as lil wayne, as well as most other hip-hop tells you what they want you to hear( hints not need or reason to think). Race, up bringing or none of that other crap has anything to do with it. You hear what you like. And just in case you were wondering ( not that it matters) but i’m black.
This is just telling us something we already know in a new, stupid way.
Lil wayne-MOSTLY gangsters and wangsters, whom we have already identified as underachievers.
Third eye blind,alternative/rock-Mostly middle class white people who we already know to (generally) value school more and and do better in school.
Beethoven-Sheltered nerds who only know studying and achieving, who OBVIOUSLY get good SAT scores.
Everyone (should have) already realized this for themselves. What kind of music you listen to dosent make you smart, it just reflects what kind of person you are.
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Two night ago I was probably the only black female in the Pit at SLIPKNOT concert. INCUBUS is my favorite band in the world because I believe their lyrics and music is ’soul awakening’ and tickles my brain in multiple ways I cannot describe. Follow closely by AVENGED SEVENFOLD, FIVE FINGER DEATH PUNCH, CHEVELLE, BREAKING BENJAMIN, PANTERA, KILLSWITCH ENGAGE, METALLICA, etc. I guess you’re picking up that I love rock.
I like all types of music EXCEPT rap. Lil Wayne annoys me senseless; all the while being my brother’s favorite. We are of the same mother and father. (divorced… and yes, he was around to be a dad.)
Was in Debate all of high school, AP classes, Graduated with Honors, yada yada. Yet I was a slacker and didn’t study for the SAT so I got a 1260 out of 1600 (Eh, shit happens.) I don’t remember what my brother got on his; let’s just say we were just glad he graduated.
It seems to me that it is not necessarily the music itself, nor the complexity of what is being heard. Rather the combination with a mind that dissects the information being given. For there will always be exceptions to the ‘rules’. Even Lil Wayne has interesting and thought provoking points in his music. I just don’t care to listen to it because I think it licks balls. Also remember that the SAT is Scholastic. It doesn’t yield itself to different aspects of intelligence such as artistic, musical, interpersonal, emotional, heck even survival intelligence as mention in an earlier post.
I recognize there are societal and financial situations/categories that lessen or intensify the challenges faced concerning Quality of Life and Education. Poverty/Wealth, Rural/Urban, Encouragement or lack thereof, and natural ability all play roles in the persons ability to score high on ‘the most important test of your life.’ That is something I hope will improve over time, then hopefully both sides can quit being ignorant.
White people refer to me as “the whitest black girl they ever met.”
Black people refer to me as “the whitest black girl they ever met.”
-Because I use the English language with proper pronunciation and grammar, and I listen to “white people music.” I am me: Robbin. I refuse to believe intelligence is synonymous with white. Refuse to believe it is limited to color, status, money, wizards and elders. An individual’s relationship with music may help define him as a PERSON, give guidance, enlightenment, and pleasure. Choice of music should not blindly stereotype into a race of people.
LIFE HAS NO REGRET, SKY HAS NO LIMIT, MUSIC HAS NO COLOR.
It may have different genres, white musicians, black musicians, deaf muscians, simple and complex varieties. Red, Green, and Gray Albums. Music just is. People’s preferences aren’t dictated by race, sex, age. Achievements not dictated by circumstance.
“….be sure man that every line drawn reflected a life that you loved
not an existence that you hated…
I’m sick of painting it black and white
my pen is dry, now I’m uptight
So sick of limiting myself to fit your definition.”
(INCUBUS- ‘Redefine’)
This study is compared to SAT Scores and not your IQ, intelligence, or street smarts. It is also not a scientific study because it’s just some dude taking a bunch of data from Facebook and Myspace and comparing SAT scores to music the person listens to. It’s basically a JOKE. you guys take it so seriously..
Some people don’t take the SATs nor care about them and are still very smart. Some people have a good head on their shoulders and are street smart and can survive better in the real world then those who are book smart. It’s all in how your life works…some benefit from book smarts and others street smarts.
Both types are smart in their own way and I think we should stop judging who is and is not smart. If the creator of this study was smart then he would know that his own study is a pile of NONSENSE!!! The end.
This chart may be true. I remember guy, who in lecture wrote in to his writing book only date and lecture heading, no more. He gave in school best marks always. And in his music player was only symphony like Beethoven and others.
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You people are dumb
It’s not saying those music you listen to MAKE YOU DUMB
its saying DUMB people TEND TO LIKE THOSE MUSIC
SMART PEOPLE tend to like THESE MUSIC
SMARTEST PEOPLE tend to LIKE classical MUSIC
OK!?!?
Race aside because it really doesn’t have anything to do with this. If you know anything about the bands that coincide with the higher test scores you’ll simply note that the music is far more complex that the stuff that’s at the lower end of the spectrum. All the super simple pop music which is not challenging to the ear at all is at the lower end.
are you serous? screw the study, I listen to metal, hardcore, RAP, Lil Wayne, techno beats and I’m smart ass shit. Point blank it depends on the person, if the person is some gangster he probably listens to gangster rap and he’s probably dumb! all races white, brown, black yellow!
Sorry, Mina. But this study was based on human beings, not pieces of ass shit.
Ok people. 1st off white people are smarter than black people, that is a fact. Second of all this does not mean that if you listen to this music that you are dumb or smart. It just says an average or more get those kind of scores.
I agree that this is not about what music makes you get better SAT scores, it’s about what most people with high SAT scores listen to, in other words what middle-class people, people with lots of privileges and advantages listen to. That’s all. There’s no cause and effect here. If you’ve grown up with all the same advantages, but you like goth or whatever, you’ll still have an advantage on the SATs.
yo, name is edison and i think that this study is completely 100% without a doubt in my mind one of the most intelligent and truthful studies I have every laid eyes on. If you really think that Beethoven or Radiohead will make you smarter than you my friend are a fucking idiot. And if for some reason you’re afraid that Lil Wayne is going to make you a dumbass than you’re a fool. If you love Brittany spears and Miley Cyrus, (both white mind you) and you probably don’t really appreciate Music. what you like are catchy beats that are hot, fresh and popular. Now listen to Idioteque by radiohead…listen to the way the song progresses and makes you drift into wonder…listen to Silly Putty by Zion I(and the Grouch) hear the way the poetry of one of San Frans best HIP/HOP artists make their words. Simple things pleasure Simple Minds..Living Legends and Tiesto are not simple
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this is bullcrap. im a 4.0 student n i know many other 4.0 students and we love lil wayne. beethhoven?? hahahhaahhahahhaa this study is by far the most stupid study i’ve ever seen.all this tells me is that nerds have bad taste.lil wayne himself was an outstanding student. dont comment me on my grammar because i just dont feel like putting all those extra punctuation when its not needed. yeah and i agree to ”
You people are dumb
It’s not saying those music you listen to MAKE YOU DUMB
its saying DUMB people TEND TO LIKE THOSE MUSIC
SMART PEOPLE tend to like THESE MUSIC
SMARTEST PEOPLE tend to LIKE classical MUSIC
OK!?!?
”
this a stupid topic.
Let me break it down for the slow ones:
Do all smart people listen do beethoven? NO
Do all stupid people listen to lil wayne? NO
Do some smart people listen to lil wayne? YES
Do some stupid people listen to beethoven? YES
Does SAT score=Intelligence? NO!!!
Other than that I’m extremely happy with this chart.I hate lil wayne so much, Im glad I can shut people up with this now!
Sorry to burst your bubble but your not shutting anyone up; you just basically said what half of the other people already have.
The only real problem I see with this is how low jazz scored… I mean, I guess I can understand if you’re talking about Louis Armstrong or Ella Fitzgerald, and how people who listen to them might not on the whole be as interested in SATs as some cunty white kids listening to Third Eye Blind and thinking it’s deep.
But I would expect the people who listen to Miles and Trane and the like to bring jazz up a good amount from where it’s at… but whatevz… correlation does not imply causality.
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I hope that Beethoven is just a stand-in for classical music in general, because as classical composers go, Beethoven isn’t that great :/
I think the best music is hip hop bu lil wayne cant rap he sucks hes so stupid he said in one of his songs “I’m Ghetto like a fanny pack” WTF
Eminem is the best rapper alive his stuff actually makes it might not be chart topping but now thats rap no ones better
I think the best music is hip hop bu lil wayne cant rap he sucks hes so stupid he said in one of his songs “I’m Ghetto like a fanny pack” WTF
Eminem is the best rapper alive his stuff actually makes it might not be chart topping but now thats rap no ones better
pff w.e i listen to the little wayne guy and duhh me no dumb i listen to him
like erday that rappa is dopie. his like the freaviote rappa alive!! ya smarties needa stop taking them smarties candy’s like duhhh!
i can’t believe they’re suggesting that listening to Eminem dumbs a person down, if he’s not smart or thought-provoking then i don’t know who the hell is.
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The degree to which some of you people blindly make claims is terrifying. Please think before you post. I realize that this is the internet and that as such no one holds you accountable for things that you say, but reach inside for some integrity to check yourself by. If you want to make a claim, you need evidence to back it up. For example, consider someone with a dislike of Lil Wayne (as many of you claim to be). That distaste when combined with a prejudice toward people you IMAGINE listen to Lil Wayne does not permit you to draw the conclusion that Lil Wayne listeners are less intelligent by virtue of their music taste. I listen to a wide breadth of music, including classic rock, alt. rock, metal, pop, jazz, classical, hip hop, rap (I find some Lil Wayne enjoyable), electronic, instrumental, and even some country as of late. It is my opinion that music reflects one’s character. Intelligence may affect one’s interpretation of music, but music does not seem to affect one’s intellectual capacities. A correlation alone does not mean ANYTHING in affirming or denying an argument. A few of you scare the living hell out of me.
wow i listen to nothing but reggaeton and got a 2350
Wow!! It’s sad how much racism is apart of today’s society! An experimental unsound research project turns into an all out racial battle mainly fueled by ignorance and hatred! Even the researcher himself ( A CalTech PHD grad) has stated that none of this research is dependable and was only done for fun and laughs. In other words the very thing that you all (just the ignorant idiots and racist, regardless of race) are arguing so intensely about was simply created because he was BORED! It’s like dropping bait in front of a bunch of ignorant, dumb ass, uneducated, racist animals (No humanity!) and seeing how much you all can embarrass yourselves and the times you represent. Will racism ever end? Simple answer! Not in this lifetime! Dress for a hot day, DIE, and enjoy hell!
i listen to rock, death metel metal. ect and i have rly high scores….top of my class =]]
….Kindergarten? Yes, you write really well for a 4 years old.
This SAT chart is simply an ignorant claim. You can hate on little wayne all you want but the fact of the matter is hes making more money on any other person on this forum, holds a college degree, and is looking for a doctorate. You can call people what you want but no one really gives a flying fuck. Race is all this is about and the dumb people who say hes repetitive hes lame he doesnt talk about shit. STFU and listen to some of the music rock artists are putting out. My fucking point rock is made of repetitive rifts and melodies.
Suck waynes dick if you please. hes making money off of it
I absolutely adore Lil Wayne. I got a 2370 on my SATs, and I’m heading off to Princeton. This study is useless. It quite obviously shows a correlation, not a causation.
Looks face it, lil waynes lyrics are stupid. you can’t argue with that
People who listen to lil wayne are more likely to make crime compared to those who listen to Beethoven, it just brings in the wrong crowd. Stereotypes does not come into existence by accident
I read only a few of these comment. None of them are accurate.
Music with more instruments are better for studying because you aren’t focused on singing/rapping the words. I’m black and I listen to a mixture of things. I know music that I like to shake my hips to, or sing along with will not help me study, so instead I’ll put on music I know I don’t like or some Debussy to help me consentrate. Sufjan, Radiohead and Ben Folds are all great and calming to listen to, but once you know the words and the beat, it’s distracting and you want to sing along.
Anyway, what does race have to do with anything? White people can listen to Lil Wayne as can blacks, latinos, etc can listen to Beethoven.
None of this has to do with how smart anyone is. Someone can say Lil Wayne is their favorite artist, but that doesn’t mean they can’t pick up a newspaper and see what’s going on in the world. Also listening to Beethoven doesn’t mean you’ll become president either.
If you want to pass your SATs I suggest not listening to any music. If you have been paying attention to your school work like you should have been, the SATs shouldn’t be that difficult. But if you slacked off, you can’t expect to pass either.
Anyway, the SATs are a load of crap anyway. You can get a 1435 and still not be able to bring the knowledge to real life situations, and be pretty much useless.
I disagree. Music actually can help certain people study. I know that I get less distracted when I have headphones on then when I’m not listening to anything at all. I suppose it’s just a matter of learning how to push the audio input to the back of your mind. I actually find it easier to do this when I’m listening to a song that I *do* know really well, although you do have a point in that certain songs (mostly my top 5 or 10 favorites) *will* distract me without a doubt. ^_^’
On the other hand, all people are different and there are many different study habits. What works for some may not work for others.
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“Lil Wayne can actually be very thought provoking”
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
oh god…
So what its saying is that people who listen to Metallica are dumber than people who listen to Linkin Park? I doubt that…
… How can a Red Hot Chili Peppers fan get better grades than a Frank Sinatra fan?! Probably because they rather study than listening to all those songs with the same exact music <.<
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The music you listen to has nothing to do with how smart you are. You can listen to whatever you like, it will not make you any smarter or stimulate the brain.The chart has nothing to do with the music it is more about the people who listen to the music. This is just like the thing with video games. If you want to be smart study.
The type of music that you listen to does not make you smart or dumb. Music does not effect the IQ, it only effects the level of concentration.
eminem makes “black music” jimi hendrix makes “white music”
hilarious
on a side note i don’t necessarily think that listening to a certain type of music will make you smarter or dumber, but it will influence how you act and what you do. And people get judged by how you act and what you do and can fall into the category of stupid or smart based on the actions seen. Now with this said black people tend to like Hip Hop and sometimes even glorify what the rappers say, killing people, robbing people, selling drugs for quick cash etc. but not all black people are like that. It’s all in the decision making of the person at hand.
You guys are fun!
i’m disappointed that hip hop didn’t come up higher, it’s a shame how massacred of a genre it’s become on the radio… i’m super stoked that lil wayne came up last, he’s a fucking dumbass that doesn’t know what he’s talking about… i’m surprised counting crows came up that high.
This graph is probably accurate, but it has nothing to do with music making you smarter or dumber. It just reflects the other predictors of test scores.
Families that listen to Beethoven, for example, tend to have higher income, and kids from higher income families to better on standardized tests.
Conversely, people who listen to hip-hop and gospel tend to come from urban areas, and kids from urban areas score lower on standardized tests.